National Treasure and the Courage to Declare | Ryan Gregerson


National Treasure — the 2004 Disney film — gets one thing exactly right: sometimes you have to declare your intention before you have any guarantee of success. Ryan Gregerson recorded this episode from Washington D.C., standing hours away from the actual Declaration of Independence at the National Archives, 80 days before America turns 250.
🎯 3 Actionable Takeaways
1. Read it — Read the Declaration of Independence this week as a personal assignment. Read the names. Let it land that these were real people who risked everything.
2. Name it — Identify one area of your life where courage is called for and you've been playing it safe. Write it down.
3. Declare — Write down one specific courageous action you'll take this week. Not someday. This week.
In this solo episode, Ryan connects National Treasure's Ben Gates — and his "someone has to" moment — to the founding fathers, to Brené Brown on vulnerability, to James Clear on identity, and to his own first family law courtroom hearing. The thread through all of it: courage is not the absence of fear. It's declaring your conviction before the evidence is in.
ABOUT YES AND LAND: Yes And Land explores the leadership lessons, relationship dynamics, and hard choices hidden in the stories we love. Hosted by Ryan Gregerson, a family law attorney at RCG Law Group, Disney enthusiast, and business coach for law firm owners at Altium Advisors, each episode connects familiar narratives to real-world wisdom you can actually use.
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Welcome to Yes And Land, where we say yes to
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the reality of yesterday and today, and we say
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and to the possibility, growth, and imagination
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of tomorrow. In 80 days, on July 4th, 2026, this
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nation turns 250 years old. Right now, I'm in
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Washington, D .C. And I've just been at the National
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Archives, where earlier I was looking at the
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Declaration of Independence. Not a copy, the
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document. The one signed by 56 men who knew when
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they put pen to paper that if they lost the war,
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that piece of parchment was their death warrant.
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Today, we're talking about the courage to declare
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using a film that was practically made for this
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moment, National Treasure. Because what Ben Gates
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understood, And what those 56 men understood
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is that some things are worth risking everything
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for. And the question 250 years later is whether
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we still believe that. Here is what some people
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miss when they think about the founding of America.
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They picture ceremony, quill pens, wax seals,
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history unfolding in slow motion with the right
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music behind it. They do not picture what it
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actually was. A group of educated, terrified
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men committing treason the 2004 disney film national
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treasure opens with a grandfather passing a secret
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to his grandson a secret carried by their family
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for generations a secret so important has been
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hidden on the most protected document in american
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history the declaration of independence what
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i love about the film is not the treasure hunt
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it's it's the idea underneath it that the founding
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fathers were not just building a country They
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were building something they intended to last.
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And early in the film, the main character, Ben
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Gates, makes this declaration that sounds insane
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to everyone around him. I'm going to steal the
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Declaration of Independence. Now, strip away
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the movie plot and what Ben Gates is actually
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saying is, I'm going to do what no one else believes
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is necessary. I'm going to act when everyone
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around me thinks I am wrong. I'm going to declare
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my intention. before i have any guarantee of
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success and that is exactly what the founders
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did they declared their vision of a nation that
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did not yet exist when george washington's army
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was was starving and without enough arms or ammunition
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after i visited national archives i also visited
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ford's theater where our 14th president president
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abraham lincoln was shot a man who believed deeply
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in the principles found in the declaration of
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independence and I just finished seeing in that
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theater 1776, a musical about the Declaration
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being brought to life, how the divided colonies
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came together for the notion of a nation that
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they wanted to build, laying it all on the line
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in unity achieved through debate and discourse
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and a belief in what was right. One cannot do
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something like that without being profoundly,
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terrifyingly vulnerable. As Brene Brown said,
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vulnerability is not winning or losing. It's
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having the courage to show up and be seen when
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we have no control over the outcome. The founders
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had no control over the outcome. They were pledging
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their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred
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honor to something that could absolutely fail.
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That vulnerability was not a weakness in the
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plan. It was the point. Courage without the possibility
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of loss is not courage. It's just confidence.
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There's a scene in National Treasure that I think
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about perhaps more than any other scene in that
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film. Ben Gates raises a glass and makes a toast,
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not to victory, not to the treasure, but to high
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treason. And he says, to high treason. That's
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what these men were committing when they signed
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the declaration. Had we lost the war, they would
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have been hanged beheaded drawn and quartered
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and disemboweled their entrails would have been
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cut out and burned so here's to the men who did
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what was considered wrong in order to do what
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they knew was right as an attorney i've spent
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my career in a system built on the foundation
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of those that those 56 men created and i will
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tell you the courage that framework required
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is not abstract to me i have felt it myself early
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in my career i as a practicing attorney had the
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blessing and opportunity to be able to go to
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court i had my first hearing before a court commissioner
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in a family law case it's called a temporary
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orders hearing in a custody case my client was
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the father he he had a child that was young three
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or four years old that desperately needed protection
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Now, we had done the work. We had cross -referenced
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social media posts on MySpace at the time, this
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is how many years ago this was, with dates that
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she was supposed to have the child, that she
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had her parent time nights where she had said
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things on social media like she was blackout
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drunk, like she was drunk again, she didn't remember
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anything that happened. So we had all of our
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own public admissions on the time that she was
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supposed to have this child. And yet, having
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done the work, I was nervous. I had never done
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a family law court hearing before. And this one
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carried real weight for a real child that needed
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real protection. But I prepared. I believed in
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my training. I believed in the law. I believed
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in what was right. And I walked in anyway. And
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thankfully, my client won. He was granted sole
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physical custody of his child with important
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restrictions placed on the opposing party. And
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that child's life was made safer because someone,
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my client and myself, were willing to show up,
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be vulnerable in my inexperience and something
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brand new to my client as well, and try to do
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what was right. Now, this is what the founders
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did on a very different scale of course, with
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high, high personal stakes. James Clear said,
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every action you take is a vote for the type
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of person you wish to become. Every step I took
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into that courtroom was a vote. Every step Jefferson
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took toward the quill was a vote. Not just for
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what he or they wanted to accomplish, but for
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who they were declaring themselves to be. At
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my firm, one of our core values is simple. Have
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courage and be kind. It comes from another Disney
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movie, a favorite of mine, the live -action Cinderella.
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And while today we are firmly in national treasure
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territory, I've never been able to separate these
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ideas. Courage without kindness is recklessness,
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and kindness without courage is just niceness
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or politeness. Now, when the founders wrote the
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document, they had both. They wrote to King George
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with extraordinary precision and care, even as
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they were declaring independence from him. The
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Declaration of Independence is, among many things,
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a masterpiece of respectful defiance. They named
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their grievances, they made their case, and then
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they drew the line. Firm. resolute, unapologetically
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courageous. That balance is something we have
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largely lost in public discourse. The Founding
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Fathers showed us a third path, to be honest,
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to be clear, to be kind, and be absolutely unwilling
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to back down from what is right. Here's one of
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the most important things about the Declaration
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of Independence that sometimes we forget. When
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they signed it, They had not won the war. They
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had not established the country. They had not
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even survived this summer yet. The declaration
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was not a report of what had happened. It was
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a statement of what they believed before the
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evidence was in. This is the hardest version
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of courage. Not the courage to say, I told you
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so after the victory. The courage to declare
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your conviction before you know whether you will
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win. In National Treasure, there is a moment
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that captures this perfectly. Ben Gates had already
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tried to warn the authorities. He had gone through
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the proper channels because somebody had said
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they were going to steal the Declaration of Independence.
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But nobody listened. Nobody believed in him.
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And nobody was going to. So when someone asks
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him, why does it have to be you? Why can't someone
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else handle this? He answers in three simple
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words. Someone has to. Not because he is the
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most qualified, not because he has the institutional
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backing, not because he has a guarantee that
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it will work. Just because nobody else was going
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to. And he had decided that was reason enough.
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The founding fathers understood this exactly.
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Nobody else was going to stand up to the most
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powerful empire in the world on behalf of a group
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of colonies that had not proven they could survive
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on their own. Nobody was going to write that
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document. Nobody else was going to sign it, except
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somebody had to. On this 250th anniversary, also
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poses this question to you personally, in your
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own life, in your work, your relationships, your
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community. Where have you been waiting for someone
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else to go first? Where have you been telling
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yourself that someone more qualified, more prepared,
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More certain of the outcome should be the one
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to step up. Because the founding fathers were
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not more qualified than you. They were just done
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waiting. Simon Sinek said, leaders are the ones
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who have the courage to go first, to put themselves
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at personal risk, to open the path for others
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to follow. The founders went first. They put
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themselves at personal risk. and every generation
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since has followed the path they opened now your
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declaration does not have to be a revolution
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but it should be honest and it should be yours
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250 years ago 56 ordinary men did something extraordinary
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they were not mythical figures they were attorneys
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farmers mechanics and physicians who were by
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any reasonable measure scared The system they
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built was not perfect, and they knew that. But
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they built it to be improved, argued over, and
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protected by every generation that followed.
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As an attorney, I do not see the law as simply
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a set of rules. I see it as a living commitment
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to the ideals that were declared in that building,
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in that document, 250 years ago this July. And
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being here today, I feel the full weight of that
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commitment. The question is not whether the founders
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were courageous. History answered that. The question
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is whether we are. So here are my three recommended
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actionable takeaways. Number one, read it. Read
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the Declaration of Independence this week, not
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as a history assignment, but as a personal one.
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Read the name to the bottom. Let it land that
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these were real people with real families who
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risked real lives to give you and I what we have
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now. It'll take you less than 10 minutes. Do
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it before July 4th. Takeaway two, name it. Identify
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one area of your life where you have been playing
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it safe when courage is actually called for.
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Write it down. This is your personal declaration.
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The founders did not win their freedom by simply
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thinking about it. They named it in ink for the
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world to see. Takeaway three. declared. Now go
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one step further. Write down the one specific
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courageous action you will take to face the thing
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you just named. Not someday, this week. As Benjamin
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Franklin said, never put off to tomorrow what
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you can do today. As you lead this conversation,
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remember that yes, the past can hurt and you
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can either run from it or you can learn from
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it. So here's to learning and finding joy in
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the journey. See you real soon.